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Flattered to see my mefi post here, I’ve been reading drawn since it started pretty much it started. Keep up the good work!

Flattered to see my mefi post here, I’ve been reading drawn since it started pretty much it started. Keep up the good work!

Is there a smaller sized version of this on the web somewhere?

Is there a smaller sized version of this on the web somewhere?

The link to the file has changed, here is the new one :
http://www.ratel.ca/Alive_in_Joburg_compr480-renamed.mov

The link to the file has changed, here is the new one :
http://www.ratel.ca/Alive_in_Joburg_compr480-renamed.mov

looks like it may have been taken down already…. mirror anywhere?

looks like it may have been taken down already…. mirror anywhere?

You’d think with all the money he made from that car advert the man would be able afford a decent steady-cam.

You’d think with all the money he made from that car advert the man would be able afford a decent steady-cam.

Took a while to download. Is there a message? I enjoyed it, and i’d like to understand it a little bit more. (maybe i didn’t get it because my english is not that good) any suggestions?

Took a while to download. Is there a message? I enjoyed it, and i’d like to understand it a little bit more. (maybe i didn’t get it because my english is not that good) any suggestions?

I’m getting nuttin’ on the renamed file either. Rats! I’m very curious about seeing this.

I’m getting nuttin’ on the renamed file either. Rats! I’m very curious about seeing this.

Is the file mirrored anywhere else? Like Ward, I just get a 404 file not found, even with the updated link…

Is the file mirrored anywhere else? Like Ward, I just get a 404 file not found, even with the updated link…

You can now download the video from the Internet Archive, here: http://www.archive.org/details/ALIVE_IN_JOBURG

You can now download the video from the Internet Archive, here: http://www.archive.org/details/ALIVE_IN_JOBURG

Oops, that URL is messed up. Let’s try this link.

Oops, that URL is messed up. Let’s try this link.

This is very good. Thanks for sharing !
:-)

by the way, while I’m at it : great job you do guys. Carry on.

This is very good. Thanks for sharing !
:-)

by the way, while I’m at it : great job you do guys. Carry on.

I didn’t entirely get the analogy here… ? I’m sure it’s creators are against the apartheid, government & white settlers but it kind of correlates as the aliens being the poor and being the problem. I dunno? I don’t get it.

I didn’t entirely get the analogy here… ? I’m sure it’s creators are against the apartheid, government & white settlers but it kind of correlates as the aliens being the poor and being the problem. I dunno? I don’t get it.

Joe, you’re right that it’s sort of in reverse. But I wasn’t implying that the film acts as a black-and-white metaphor (pun somewhat intended) for apartheid — merely a correlation. The comparison is unavoidable with a story that is essentially about one race being severely underprivileged at the hands of another, especially in South Africa.

Joe, you’re right that it’s sort of in reverse. But I wasn’t implying that the film acts as a black-and-white metaphor (pun somewhat intended) for apartheid — merely a correlation. The comparison is unavoidable with a story that is essentially about one race being severely underprivileged at the hands of another, especially in South Africa.

Yea – it’s just odd that if you make the most obvious translation it becomes a metaphor for poor black South Africans being a scourge to society there.

Yea – it’s just odd that if you make the most obvious translation it becomes a metaphor for poor black South Africans being a scourge to society there.

Joe, you are putting words in my mouth. I never said that the film was analogous to South Africa’s history, but that it merely alluded to it. I was plenty careful when choosing my words. To say that this film has no relation to South African apartheid is ridiculous. (Besides, if anything the aliens in this film are the Dutch colonists, but with a twist that their invasion has failed).

Joe, you are putting words in my mouth. I never said that the film was analogous to South Africa’s history, but that it merely alluded to it. I was plenty careful when choosing my words. To say that this film has no relation to South African apartheid is ridiculous. (Besides, if anything the aliens in this film are the Dutch colonists, but with a twist that their invasion has failed).

awesome fx, boring story. Anytime someone has to ‘speak’ to confey a story and not show it visually, your in trouble. Some generic cliche scenes of alien motherships, military helicopters, mech robots…haven’t we seen this before? (well, maybe not with a shakey camera)..the use of overly-emotional music seems un-needed and cheap. I was laughing when that mob of people were running in slow motion at the end, this film was trying toooo hard to evoke emotion and a politcal message, instead of just relying on good narrative filmmaking.

awesome fx, boring story. Anytime someone has to ‘speak’ to confey a story and not show it visually, your in trouble. Some generic cliche scenes of alien motherships, military helicopters, mech robots…haven’t we seen this before? (well, maybe not with a shakey camera)..the use of overly-emotional music seems un-needed and cheap. I was laughing when that mob of people were running in slow motion at the end, this film was trying toooo hard to evoke emotion and a politcal message, instead of just relying on good narrative filmmaking.

Ouch Derek. But I do agree with you. I think the narration comments can apply to a lot of movies these days ( I would extend this to even most dialogue to be a crutch in movie making.). But sometimes for conveying a lot of scope and detail it is too tedious to do it the right way. I thought the short was interesting, primarily because of the footage of South Africans. Visually, the aliens were incorporated really well, but the whole movie left me with a taste for more.

Ouch Derek. But I do agree with you. I think the narration comments can apply to a lot of movies these days ( I would extend this to even most dialogue to be a crutch in movie making.). But sometimes for conveying a lot of scope and detail it is too tedious to do it the right way. I thought the short was interesting, primarily because of the footage of South Africans. Visually, the aliens were incorporated really well, but the whole movie left me with a taste for more.

Whatever.

Whatever.

You need to learn to read, dude. I said ‘YOU’ as in ‘anyone’ interpreting this movie. Not ‘YOU’ as in whoever the heck you are. I wasn’t responding to you directly, I was using a convention of the English language that allows YOU(as in anyone) to speak generally. So – no words in your mouth.

You need to learn to read, dude. I said ‘YOU’ as in ‘anyone’ interpreting this movie. Not ‘YOU’ as in whoever the heck you are. I wasn’t responding to you directly, I was using a convention of the English language that allows YOU(as in anyone) to speak generally. So – no words in your mouth.

Joe, your argument above is pretty bad. You (And yes I do mean YOU) are hiding behind improper use of the english language to sidestep your own argument. If YOU did intend to convey “you” as “anyone” just go ahead and say so instead of attacking someone else for your own error.

And to the makers of this film, good job. Everyone’s a critic but some of us recognise originality and creativity when we see it.

Joe, your argument above is pretty bad. You (And yes I do mean YOU) are hiding behind improper use of the english language to sidestep your own argument. If YOU did intend to convey “you” as “anyone” just go ahead and say so instead of attacking someone else for your own error.

And to the makers of this film, good job. Everyone’s a critic but some of us recognise originality and creativity when we see it.

Pointless as this may be, I think I’ll stand my ground here: there was no error on my part. Go back and read it.

I guess I just like to point out when people hyperventilate over nothing. I dunno why…

you = a person, any individual

My point about the movie was a good question to propose for discussion but instead, I get this stuff. Ahhh!(sobbing)

Calgon take me away!

Pointless as this may be, I think I’ll stand my ground here: there was no error on my part. Go back and read it.

I guess I just like to point out when people hyperventilate over nothing. I dunno why…

you = a person, any individual

My point about the movie was a good question to propose for discussion but instead, I get this stuff. Ahhh!(sobbing)

Calgon take me away!

Joe, I misread your comment… I didn’t see the word “if”. Hope you can see how it reads without the “if”. Sorry for any hyperventilating.

Joe, I misread your comment… I didn’t see the word “if”. Hope you can see how it reads without the “if”. Sorry for any hyperventilating.

Thanks, Johnny.

Toby – go fly a kite. There was no argument… just a question.

Read.

Thanks, Johnny.

Toby – go fly a kite. There was no argument… just a question.

Read.

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The movie isnt an analogy to apartheid. Its not about black and white at all. The movie is about a very large problem in South Africa. It is about illegal aliens.

People crossing the borders into South Africa are a massive problem. As the ‘locals’ see it, the illegals cross over and take locals jobs, houseing, and other benifits that they are entitled to. When they cant get it, they take it, stealing electricity, and turning to crime.

This film just takes that concept and makes it very literal.

The movie isnt an analogy to apartheid. Its not about black and white at all. The movie is about a very large problem in South Africa. It is about illegal aliens.

People crossing the borders into South Africa are a massive problem. As the ‘locals’ see it, the illegals cross over and take locals jobs, houseing, and other benifits that they are entitled to. When they cant get it, they take it, stealing electricity, and turning to crime.

This film just takes that concept and makes it very literal.

OK. I’m gonna try to find another link. The latest link just gives me a “preparing for download” for eons. It looks cool, though.

OK. I’m gonna try to find another link. The latest link just gives me a “preparing for download” for eons. It looks cool, though.

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