Comments on: Dina Babbitt’s plea http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/ llustration, Comics, Animation, and Cartoon Art Sun, 13 May 2012 16:20:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: JIMWICh http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/comment-page-1/#comment-677263 JIMWICh Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:52:29 +0000 http://drawn.ca/?p=6335#comment-677263 Heh. I've long heard accusations that Walt Disney was *anti-Semitic*, but I gotta say - Walt Disney certainly wasn't *anti-Semantic* (per Ward's comment above). His work was plumb full of meaning, even if it wasn't always something I'd necessarily be inclined to go along with. Come to think of it though, he might rightly be labeled *anti-somatic*, in that the bodies of his characters were famously decreed by him to be free of "potentially offensive appendages and/or orifices." Heh. I’ve long heard accusations that Walt Disney was *anti-Semitic*, but I gotta say – Walt Disney certainly wasn’t *anti-Semantic* (per Ward’s comment above). His work was plumb full of meaning, even if it wasn’t always something I’d necessarily be inclined to go along with.

Come to think of it though, he might rightly be labeled *anti-somatic*, in that the bodies of his characters were famously decreed by him to be free of “potentially offensive appendages and/or orifices.”

]]> By: JIMWICh http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/comment-page-1/#comment-700311 JIMWICh Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:52:00 +0000 http://drawn.ca/?p=6335#comment-700311 Heh. I've long heard accusations that Walt Disney was *anti-Semitic*, but I gotta say - Walt Disney certainly wasn't *anti-Semantic* (per Ward's comment above). His work was plumb full of meaning, even if it wasn't always something I'd necessarily be inclined to go along with. Come to think of it though, he might rightly be labeled *anti-somatic*, in that the bodies of his characters were famously decreed by him to be free of "potentially offensive appendages and/or orifices." Heh. I’ve long heard accusations that Walt Disney was *anti-Semitic*, but I gotta say – Walt Disney certainly wasn’t *anti-Semantic* (per Ward’s comment above). His work was plumb full of meaning, even if it wasn’t always something I’d necessarily be inclined to go along with.

Come to think of it though, he might rightly be labeled *anti-somatic*, in that the bodies of his characters were famously decreed by him to be free of “potentially offensive appendages and/or orifices.”

]]> By: Ward http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/comment-page-1/#comment-676904 Ward Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:34:11 +0000 http://drawn.ca/?p=6335#comment-676904 lou77 - I just have to say that Walt Disney was not anti-Semantic. Just bad rumors based off his handling with Babbitt & others. Do your homework and read up on the situation. I did. By throwing out a statement like that, you're only perpetuating the rumors. lou77 – I just have to say that Walt Disney was not anti-Semantic. Just bad rumors based off his handling with Babbitt & others. Do your homework and read up on the situation. I did. By throwing out a statement like that, you’re only perpetuating the rumors.

]]> By: Ward http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/comment-page-1/#comment-700310 Ward Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:34:00 +0000 http://drawn.ca/?p=6335#comment-700310 lou77 - I just have to say that Walt Disney was not anti-Semantic. Just bad rumors based off his handling with Babbitt & others. Do your homework and read up on the situation. I did. By throwing out a statement like that, you're only perpetuating the rumors. lou77 – I just have to say that Walt Disney was not anti-Semantic. Just bad rumors based off his handling with Babbitt & others. Do your homework and read up on the situation. I did. By throwing out a statement like that, you’re only perpetuating the rumors.

]]> By: israel http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/comment-page-1/#comment-676856 israel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:00:33 +0000 http://drawn.ca/?p=6335#comment-676856 I agree with Luc that we can't understand her feelings when we haven't been through what she has. If having the paintings brings her comfort then she should have them, I don't know how the museum got them but she has a rightful claim to them. The museum could display reproductions with almost the same impact. I agree with Luc that we can’t understand her feelings when we haven’t been through what she has. If having the paintings brings her comfort then she should have them, I don’t know how the museum got them but she has a rightful claim to them. The museum could display reproductions with almost the same impact.

]]> By: israel http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/comment-page-1/#comment-700309 israel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:00:00 +0000 http://drawn.ca/?p=6335#comment-700309 I agree with Luc that we can't understand her feelings when we haven't been through what she has. If having the paintings brings her comfort then she should have them, I don't know how the museum got them but she has a rightful claim to them. The museum could display reproductions with almost the same impact. I agree with Luc that we can’t understand her feelings when we haven’t been through what she has. If having the paintings brings her comfort then she should have them, I don’t know how the museum got them but she has a rightful claim to them. The museum could display reproductions with almost the same impact.

]]> By: Luc http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/comment-page-1/#comment-676773 Luc Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:16:32 +0000 http://drawn.ca/?p=6335#comment-676773 My reason for posting this story wasn't to attempt to actually answer the question of who owns the art; it's a rather rhetorical question. Even she states she's unsure what she'd do if the artwork was ever returned to her. More than anything, it was simply her sadness and anguish that touched me, and her feelings of being lost, broken, incomplete, angry, frustrated. I don't think for a moment I can do anything but faintly imagine what it might be like to exist in a prison camp. Further, I can only faintly imagine surviving such an experience and then manage to try living a normal life again. I'm certainly in no position to judge such a person; I have seemingly "won the lottery" living as I do, where I do, in a degree of comfort many might actually consider decadent. I've never had to survive anything, nor can I say I've ever truly suffered. But I can understand her need to retrieve the only surviving physical objects from such a bizarre and painful past. I can understand the need for closure, no matter how bizarre it might appear to others. I wish her the best. My reason for posting this story wasn’t to attempt to actually answer the question of who owns the art; it’s a rather rhetorical question. Even she states she’s unsure what she’d do if the artwork was ever returned to her.

More than anything, it was simply her sadness and anguish that touched me, and her feelings of being lost, broken, incomplete, angry, frustrated.

I don’t think for a moment I can do anything but faintly imagine what it might be like to exist in a prison camp. Further, I can only faintly imagine surviving such an experience and then manage to try living a normal life again. I’m certainly in no position to judge such a person; I have seemingly “won the lottery” living as I do, where I do, in a degree of comfort many might actually consider decadent. I’ve never had to survive anything, nor can I say I’ve ever truly suffered.

But I can understand her need to retrieve the only surviving physical objects from such a bizarre and painful past. I can understand the need for closure, no matter how bizarre it might appear to others.

I wish her the best.

]]> By: Luc Latulippe http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/comment-page-1/#comment-700308 Luc Latulippe Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:16:00 +0000 http://drawn.ca/?p=6335#comment-700308 My reason for posting this story wasn't to attempt to actually answer the question of who owns the art; it's a rather rhetorical question. Even she states she's unsure what she'd do if the artwork was ever returned to her. More than anything, it was simply her sadness and anguish that touched me, and her feelings of being lost, broken, incomplete, angry, frustrated. I don't think for a moment I can do anything but faintly imagine what it might be like to exist in a prison camp. Further, I can only faintly imagine surviving such an experience and then manage to try living a normal life again. I'm certainly in no position to judge such a person; I have seemingly "won the lottery" living as I do, where I do, in a degree of comfort many might actually consider decadent. I've never had to survive anything, nor can I say I've ever truly suffered. But I can understand her need to retrieve the only surviving physical objects from such a bizarre and painful past. I can understand the need for closure, no matter how bizarre it might appear to others. I wish her the best. My reason for posting this story wasn’t to attempt to actually answer the question of who owns the art; it’s a rather rhetorical question. Even she states she’s unsure what she’d do if the artwork was ever returned to her.

More than anything, it was simply her sadness and anguish that touched me, and her feelings of being lost, broken, incomplete, angry, frustrated.

I don’t think for a moment I can do anything but faintly imagine what it might be like to exist in a prison camp. Further, I can only faintly imagine surviving such an experience and then manage to try living a normal life again. I’m certainly in no position to judge such a person; I have seemingly “won the lottery” living as I do, where I do, in a degree of comfort many might actually consider decadent. I’ve never had to survive anything, nor can I say I’ve ever truly suffered.

But I can understand her need to retrieve the only surviving physical objects from such a bizarre and painful past. I can understand the need for closure, no matter how bizarre it might appear to others.

I wish her the best.

]]> By: artjess http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/comment-page-1/#comment-676772 artjess Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:31:51 +0000 http://drawn.ca/?p=6335#comment-676772 As someone who has in fact worked in museums for over a decade, I find it completely ridiculous to say that museums never restitute art. In fact there are many organizations that are solely devoted to this cause. This particular case is interesting because of the question of ownership. It is not a simple case where a collector had art stolen while they were prisoners in the holocaust. The provenance of the objects is entangled with the history of the war itself. Of course she has a very compelling story and I imagine, a very strong case. As someone who has in fact worked in museums for over a decade, I find it completely ridiculous to say that museums never restitute art. In fact there are many organizations that are solely devoted to this cause. This particular case is interesting because of the question of ownership. It is not a simple case where a collector had art stolen while they were prisoners in the holocaust. The provenance of the objects is entangled with the history of the war itself. Of course she has a very compelling story and I imagine, a very strong case.

]]> By: artjess http://drawn.ca/archive/dina-babbitt/comment-page-1/#comment-700307 artjess Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:31:00 +0000 http://drawn.ca/?p=6335#comment-700307 As someone who has in fact worked in museums for over a decade, I find it completely ridiculous to say that museums never restitute art. In fact there are many organizations that are solely devoted to this cause. This particular case is interesting because of the question of ownership. It is not a simple case where a collector had art stolen while they were prisoners in the holocaust. The provenance of the objects is entangled with the history of the war itself. Of course she has a very compelling story and I imagine, a very strong case. As someone who has in fact worked in museums for over a decade, I find it completely ridiculous to say that museums never restitute art. In fact there are many organizations that are solely devoted to this cause. This particular case is interesting because of the question of ownership. It is not a simple case where a collector had art stolen while they were prisoners in the holocaust. The provenance of the objects is entangled with the history of the war itself. Of course she has a very compelling story and I imagine, a very strong case.

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