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Is there such a thing as Flikr that IS primarily for illustrations? If not, there should be.

Is there such a thing as Flikr that IS primarily for illustrations? If not, there should be.

i just posted about this on my blog, questioning at length the very concept of what a “photo” is: http://thraxil.org/users/anders/posts/2005/11/27/what-is-a-photo/

i just posted about this on my blog, questioning at length the very concept of what a “photo” is: http://thraxil.org/users/anders/posts/2005/11/27/what-is-a-photo/

What if you take a photo of an illustration? ;)

What if you take a photo of an illustration? ;)

Thanks for that post. Most of my images on Flickr are illustrations!!!!

Thanks for that post. Most of my images on Flickr are illustrations!!!!

Maybe someone could come up with Pictr or Illustratr and get it running.

Maybe someone could come up with Pictr or Illustratr and get it running.

drawr.com
heh

Since yahoo bought flickr i doubt very much that we’d be able to get the source for flickr, or even look/feel. maybe a movable type install with tags and categories? mt probably wouldnt scale that large though.

i was worried about this last week when boingboing posted it, has ward been nipsa’d yet? his flickr is primarily art, no?

drawr.com
heh

Since yahoo bought flickr i doubt very much that we’d be able to get the source for flickr, or even look/feel. maybe a movable type install with tags and categories? mt probably wouldnt scale that large though.

i was worried about this last week when boingboing posted it, has ward been nipsa’d yet? his flickr is primarily art, no?

DAMMIT I JUST FINISHED MINE! DAMN DAMN DAMN!

DAMMIT I JUST FINISHED MINE! DAMN DAMN DAMN!

Up until this story I was happy with the concept of Flickr! Now that I need to look at alturnatives (I do not plan to post anything but my own illustrations, drawings, and scans of my work.) I remember reading about the following site on digg.com (Amazing because it was on the design tab the first day I was on the site.)

The site is subvarience. I have no experience posting on the site. (I created an account back in September but I did not have anything to post before now.) If you look at their mission statement they claim to be exactly what an illustration pure uploader might be looking for.

http://www.subvariance.com/

I guess there is also deviant art if this site does not meet our needs.

Up until this story I was happy with the concept of Flickr! Now that I need to look at alturnatives (I do not plan to post anything but my own illustrations, drawings, and scans of my work.) I remember reading about the following site on digg.com (Amazing because it was on the design tab the first day I was on the site.)

The site is subvarience. I have no experience posting on the site. (I created an account back in September but I did not have anything to post before now.) If you look at their mission statement they claim to be exactly what an illustration pure uploader might be looking for.

http://www.subvariance.com/

I guess there is also deviant art if this site does not meet our needs.

[...] Azt írják a Drawn-on, hogy Flickr-ék bekeményítettek, mondván ez fényképtároló oldal, nem pedig grafikatár. Mostantól akit rajtakapnak, azt bezárják a szekrénybe – azaz úgy tekintik, mint aki nem osztotta meg a többiek felé a képeit. (Magyarán elérhetÅ‘ek maradnak a cuccai, de nem lesznek böngészhetÅ‘ek a publikum számára. A fényképei sem.) Mivel a saját Flickr oldalam jó egyharmada karikatúrákat tartalmaz, azt hiszem, jobb lesz, ha idejekorán beszerzem a molyirtót. [...]

I’m a flickr user.
and, what?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/88792716@N00/

I’m a flickr user.
and, what?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/88792716@N00/

Jordi, Your images are NIPSA. They do not show up when someone searches for the tags you have assigned. So unless someone knows exactly where to look for you, you are invisible on flickr.
That’s what.

Jordi, Your images are NIPSA. They do not show up when someone searches for the tags you have assigned. So unless someone knows exactly where to look for you, you are invisible on flickr.
That’s what.

Apparently, I’m NIPSA as well. Currently, out of my 328 images, 151 are true ‘photos.’ I don’t know what the criteria is for the percentage of photo:illustration, but I guess having over 50% non-photos is no good.

But you know what? I don’t really rely on Flickr and its inane search tags, anyway. I have a blog and a Flickr group where I get plenty of views, thankyouverymuch. I don’t really rely on the Flickr viewers to find me. Oh sure, it would be nice for me to have more viewers outside my usual circles, but I’m not going to cry a river over it all.

I think it’s narrow-minded for Flickr staff to say that they’re always to be photo-centric. I know that that’s why they started it in the first place, but times they are a’changin’ and Flickr might have to evolve if they want to keep in good with the public demands. Any smart company would tell you that. If you turn away people, that becomes a negative trait, and no one likes negativity.

Apparently, I’m NIPSA as well. Currently, out of my 328 images, 151 are true ‘photos.’ I don’t know what the criteria is for the percentage of photo:illustration, but I guess having over 50% non-photos is no good.

But you know what? I don’t really rely on Flickr and its inane search tags, anyway. I have a blog and a Flickr group where I get plenty of views, thankyouverymuch. I don’t really rely on the Flickr viewers to find me. Oh sure, it would be nice for me to have more viewers outside my usual circles, but I’m not going to cry a river over it all.

I think it’s narrow-minded for Flickr staff to say that they’re always to be photo-centric. I know that that’s why they started it in the first place, but times they are a’changin’ and Flickr might have to evolve if they want to keep in good with the public demands. Any smart company would tell you that. If you turn away people, that becomes a negative trait, and no one likes negativity.

the best way to omit this restriction is to take photo of the drawing.
Easy, isn’t it? ;-)

the best way to omit this restriction is to take photo of the drawing.
Easy, isn’t it? ;-)

Ward,
Good point! The tag pool is overrated in my opinion. If I search the tag “maryblair”, I’m looking for the illustrator, not every dog, cat and pony who shares the name.

Ward,
Good point! The tag pool is overrated in my opinion. If I search the tag “maryblair”, I’m looking for the illustrator, not every dog, cat and pony who shares the name.

Beyond the marketing angle, I think they are most concerned about flickr being a secondary depository, rather than the primary place someone looks for for an image. They would rather an image be viewed via flickr, than linked from flickr to your web page.

That is, if you have illustration talent (or enough graphic arts know-how to want to scan illustrations by others), you can probably build your own web site to host them, and don’t really need flickr. You are not Flickrs sort of sheep, or the one they can sell ads when viewing your images. They also probably want to avoid copyright lawyers like the plague, despite fair use arguments.

Beyond the marketing angle, I think they are most concerned about flickr being a secondary depository, rather than the primary place someone looks for for an image. They would rather an image be viewed via flickr, than linked from flickr to your web page.

That is, if you have illustration talent (or enough graphic arts know-how to want to scan illustrations by others), you can probably build your own web site to host them, and don’t really need flickr. You are not Flickrs sort of sheep, or the one they can sell ads when viewing your images. They also probably want to avoid copyright lawyers like the plague, despite fair use arguments.

the best way to omit this restriction is to take photo of the drawing.

You obviously have not seen such photos on Flickr like this. The quality is horrible. Plus, my artwork, like many other artists who do the same here, are done in the computer. Should I take a photo of my computer screen? Don’t think so.

They are not banning these images, it’s just that we ‘offenders’ are just not out there in the public searches when joe blow does a tag search on Flickr.

Like I said, no biggie, because I’m not a big fan of that tag search anyway. I do just fine without it.

the best way to omit this restriction is to take photo of the drawing.

You obviously have not seen such photos on Flickr like this. The quality is horrible. Plus, my artwork, like many other artists who do the same here, are done in the computer. Should I take a photo of my computer screen? Don’t think so.

They are not banning these images, it’s just that we ‘offenders’ are just not out there in the public searches when joe blow does a tag search on Flickr.

Like I said, no biggie, because I’m not a big fan of that tag search anyway. I do just fine without it.

My heart really sank when I saw this on boingboing. But again, the important thing to note is that drawings/illustrations aren’t being banned from flickr, they just simply won’t show up in flickr’s public areas. You have to do a plain vanilla search to find them rather than rely on flickr’s more creative devices, like clusters and so forth. And it’s still a cool social networking tool.

Still, it’s a shame. In terms of creativity, I already like the “old” flickr better.

(By the way, I’m a complete lurker here and have been enjoying reading Drawn! for months. Thanks for presenting such a great blog.)

My heart really sank when I saw this on boingboing. But again, the important thing to note is that drawings/illustrations aren’t being banned from flickr, they just simply won’t show up in flickr’s public areas. You have to do a plain vanilla search to find them rather than rely on flickr’s more creative devices, like clusters and so forth. And it’s still a cool social networking tool.

Still, it’s a shame. In terms of creativity, I already like the “old” flickr better.

(By the way, I’m a complete lurker here and have been enjoying reading Drawn! for months. Thanks for presenting such a great blog.)

What the crap?! Bad Flickr. Now I wish I hadn’t spent the money on a pro account. I search Flickr regularly to find cool imagery.

Photos are so overratted.

What the crap?! Bad Flickr. Now I wish I hadn’t spent the money on a pro account. I search Flickr regularly to find cool imagery.

Photos are so overratted.

[...] Stewart Butterfield from Flickr has helped clarify the whole issue of them censoring non-photographic content (ie drawings) from the public site areas of Flickr: [...]

Ward i too have a few sites just for drawing, but i’ve had people find me (and thus i find them) via flickr all the time. for instance you. you added me on flickr, where i probably wouldnt have seen your drawings previous.

another good example here:
featherbed hell, i’d vote that she should get her own drawn.ca entry

Ward i too have a few sites just for drawing, but i’ve had people find me (and thus i find them) via flickr all the time. for instance you. you added me on flickr, where i probably wouldnt have seen your drawings previous.

another good example here:
featherbed hell, i’d vote that she should get her own drawn.ca entry

Eric — She already did!

Eric — She already did!

pwnt! haha.

(what about audrey kawasaki?)

pwnt! haha.

(what about audrey kawasaki?)

I think Flickr sucks and I definitely will not be renewing my Pro account. The official interpretation of the word “photo” in the TOS is rediculous. The best way to vote is with ones money. Of course, setting up a hundred free accounts and filling them with crap photos and random tags is a good way to fight back too.

I think Flickr sucks and I definitely will not be renewing my Pro account. The official interpretation of the word “photo” in the TOS is rediculous. The best way to vote is with ones money. Of course, setting up a hundred free accounts and filling them with crap photos and random tags is a good way to fight back too.

Too bad, because even in the midst of all this hubbub, I’m still a staunch Flickr supporter. It’s one of the best organized community-based sites out there and plus, they’ve taken me off the NIPSA list. They’ve got a good thing going on there, and it’s not worth it for me to get all up in their grill about it.

Too bad, because even in the midst of all this hubbub, I’m still a staunch Flickr supporter. It’s one of the best organized community-based sites out there and plus, they’ve taken me off the NIPSA list. They’ve got a good thing going on there, and it’s not worth it for me to get all up in their grill about it.

[...] A great idea would be to put your comics on Flickr, right?  Wrong.  Flickr discriminates between photography and drawing.  Bummer. [...]

Flickr has been working very well for me. I’ve only uploaded illustrations, but use the Flickr Badge creator to generate galleries for my website and blog. I think Flickr is the best online gallery format available. I’m okay with not being searchable the rest of the benefits make up for that. Personally, I don’t blame them for wanting to be photos only. It could be worse, they could ban illustration work all together, but they don’t.

Flickr has been working very well for me. I’ve only uploaded illustrations, but use the Flickr Badge creator to generate galleries for my website and blog. I think Flickr is the best online gallery format available. I’m okay with not being searchable the rest of the benefits make up for that. Personally, I don’t blame them for wanting to be photos only. It could be worse, they could ban illustration work all together, but they don’t.

Well, I just found out today (no, didn’t get a form letter) that my account was NIPSAed. I was doing a tag search, and suddenly realized my account was no longer public, sadly. I have 3753 photos, and 51123 views on my photostream. Not sure what percentage of my stream is illustrations, but most of the photos of book jackets/covers are just that, photos, not scans. I have scads and scads of actual photographs.

I have been adding some more scans recently, and starting up some vintage ephemera/advertising groups. Hard to say if some individual complained, if someone thought my material was too racy, or whether my high-visibility group pools came to the attention of the flickr heads of state. Because of course, flickr can’t bother to send a form letter that says exactly why you were banned. Sigh…

Well, I just found out today (no, didn’t get a form letter) that my account was NIPSAed. I was doing a tag search, and suddenly realized my account was no longer public, sadly. I have 3753 photos, and 51123 views on my photostream. Not sure what percentage of my stream is illustrations, but most of the photos of book jackets/covers are just that, photos, not scans. I have scads and scads of actual photographs.

I have been adding some more scans recently, and starting up some vintage ephemera/advertising groups. Hard to say if some individual complained, if someone thought my material was too racy, or whether my high-visibility group pools came to the attention of the flickr heads of state. Because of course, flickr can’t bother to send a form letter that says exactly why you were banned. Sigh…

[...] There are some great examples of tilt-shift miniatures in the Tilt-Shift Miniature Fakes Flickr group, but you have to join the group to see all the examples, otherwise you’ll only see two. (NIPSA at it again.) Another nice Flickr group on this sort of thing is Tilt-Shift 1-2 Miniatures. [...]

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