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The Holy Grail of Animation?

holygrail1.jpgWhat do you consider the “Holy Grail” of animation? What cartoon, film, or feature (or anything else, for that matter) that you’ve heard about but have never seen — preferably something that is practically impossible to see — that has achieved legendary status throughout the years?

I posed this question to many of my animation contacts recently via email and the response has been tremendous. Check out the replies (as well as the comments) HERE. I purposely asked a wide variety of people within the industry because I knew that their replies would be just as varied. Some titles were more popular than others, namely Disney’s SONG OF THE SOUTH and the original version of Richard Williams’ THE THIEF AND THE COBBLER. But other “grails” were interesting: the original pilot of Fat Albert, and the lost ending of Tex Avery’s THE HECKLING HARE, lost Disney Laugh-O-Grams, to name a few.

So, what do you consider the “Holy Grail” of animation?

  • ChadTHX1138

    I’ve begun to find it pretty irritating how I goto this site and you guys post whatever you’ve read on Cartoon Brew that day. same goes for a couple other blogs I follow.

  • ChadTHX1138

    I’ve begun to find it pretty irritating how I goto this site and you guys post whatever you’ve read on Cartoon Brew that day. same goes for a couple other blogs I follow.

  • http://graphorisms.blogspot.com/ luis

    to me, the dream sequence on Hitchcock’s Spellbound. The escenery was desing by Dali.

  • http://graphorisms.blogspot.com luis

    to me, the dream sequence on Hitchcock’s Spellbound. The escenery was desing by Dali.

  • http://wardomatic.blogspot.com/ Ward

    Chad, I can understand your frustration, but not everyone who visits here checks out Cartoon Brew, or some of these other blogs that you mention. There’s going to be some cross pollenating, just like there is with Boing Boing and other link portals.

    Oh, and by the way, it was ME who posted the original “Holy Grail” link (on my blog), so in essence, Amid was just following my lead. Plus, I didn’t even know that he had posted it on the Brew by the time I was writing this post earlier today.

  • http://wardomatic.blogspot.com Ward

    Chad, I can understand your frustration, but not everyone who visits here checks out Cartoon Brew, or some of these other blogs that you mention. There’s going to be some cross pollenating, just like there is with Boing Boing and other link portals.

    Oh, and by the way, it was ME who posted the original “Holy Grail” link (on my blog), so in essence, Amid was just following my lead. Plus, I didn’t even know that he had posted it on the Brew by the time I was writing this post earlier today.

  • http://www.robotjohnny.com/ Johnny

    Chad, you so crazy!

  • http://www.robotjohnny.com Johnny

    Chad, you so crazy!

  • calaverius

    Evangelion (series+film) really stands out to me as the most impressive. I can think of many films that are more beautifully animated (M N Totoro, 101 Dalmatians…) but in terms of using animation to tell a story this one is really tops for me. The majority of the series is pretty traditional, but once it begins to break down into symbolism and abstraction it gets really inspiring. Then the film is probably one of the most amazing animated freak outs ever. It definitely took me to a very specific and new place more so than any other animation I can think of.

  • calaverius

    Evangelion (series+film) really stands out to me as the most impressive. I can think of many films that are more beautifully animated (M N Totoro, 101 Dalmatians…) but in terms of using animation to tell a story this one is really tops for me. The majority of the series is pretty traditional, but once it begins to break down into symbolism and abstraction it gets really inspiring. Then the film is probably one of the most amazing animated freak outs ever. It definitely took me to a very specific and new place more so than any other animation I can think of.

  • http://keithhandy.com/ KeithHandy

    Possibly Gerald Scarfe’s “Long Drawn-out Trip” … it was the piece that got him hired by Pink Floyd, but he says it’s not something he would be able to release, due to questionable legality (copyright-related).

    I’ll second “Song Of The South”, too … that’s one that I’m on a mission to see sometime before I die. :)

  • http://keithhandy.com KeithHandy

    Possibly Gerald Scarfe’s “Long Drawn-out Trip” … it was the piece that got him hired by Pink Floyd, but he says it’s not something he would be able to release, due to questionable legality (copyright-related).

    I’ll second “Song Of The South”, too … that’s one that I’m on a mission to see sometime before I die. :)

  • taser8

    One that I’ve seen, but not since I was a wee sprout, is Saul Bass’s “Why Man Creates” – a 29 minute collection of shorts offering a rumination on creativity. Some of it is hand drawn, some is live-action, but I remember being fascinated by it. Hard to find…

  • taser8

    One that I’ve seen, but not since I was a wee sprout, is Saul Bass’s “Why Man Creates” – a 29 minute collection of shorts offering a rumination on creativity. Some of it is hand drawn, some is live-action, but I remember being fascinated by it. Hard to find…

  • http://wardomatic.blogspot.com/ Ward

    taser8, you can find Saul Bass’s 1968 short film “Why Man Creates” at Pyramid Media. Pretty pricey if you want to own a copy…

  • http://wardomatic.blogspot.com Ward

    taser8, you can find Saul Bass’s 1968 short film “Why Man Creates” at Pyramid Media. Pretty pricey if you want to own a copy…

  • http://www.alidasaxon.com/ Alida

    Actually, I remember seeing Song of the South in a limited theater release in Canada years ago. Can’t peg the exact year, but probably the 1986 they mention in the wiki. It was during a time when they were rereleasing old disney films for a new generation every few months. Bambi, Snow White, etc.

  • http://www.alidasaxon.com Alida

    Actually, I remember seeing Song of the South in a limited theater release in Canada years ago. Can’t peg the exact year, but probably the 1986 they mention in the wiki. It was during a time when they were rereleasing old disney films for a new generation every few months. Bambi, Snow White, etc.

  • http://mundoiggy.blogspot.com/ iggym

    Growing up, Disney “Los tres amigos” always stood out to me as a beautifully crafted film. Specially the whole watercolor sequence where Joe Carioca dances his way through a landscape that appears before him.
    And the music to animation sync is pretty awesome.

  • http://mundoiggy.blogspot.com/ iggym

    Growing up, Disney “Los tres amigos” always stood out to me as a beautifully crafted film. Specially the whole watercolor sequence where Joe Carioca dances his way through a landscape that appears before him.
    And the music to animation sync is pretty awesome.

  • http://www.estamode.blogspot.com/ estamode

    I agree with Calaverius, although not the entire series, but I loved The End of Evangelion.

  • http://www.estamode.blogspot.com estamode

    I agree with Calaverius, although not the entire series, but I loved The End of Evangelion.

  • http://dodgemedlin.blogspot.com/ markdm

    I really like that scene where King Arthur and his knights were going through the mountains during winter and they had to eat Robin’s minstrels, “and there was much rejoicing.” Terry Gilliam did a great job illustrating that, and … oh, wait, that’s the animation of “Holy Grail,” not the other way around. Never mind.

  • http://dodgemedlin.blogspot.com markdm

    I really like that scene where King Arthur and his knights were going through the mountains during winter and they had to eat Robin’s minstrels, “and there was much rejoicing.” Terry Gilliam did a great job illustrating that, and … oh, wait, that’s the animation of “Holy Grail,” not the other way around. Never mind.

  • nick

    For me, it would have to be Ralph Bakshi’s American POP. Amazing animation, wonderful music and a powerful story.

  • nick

    For me, it would have to be Ralph Bakshi’s American POP. Amazing animation, wonderful music and a powerful story.

  • nos4a2

    The Dali animation from Fantasia. I don’t know how much (if any) was ever completed I just remember seeing a few stills from his work on the disney production. Now that’s a “grail”.

  • nos4a2

    The Dali animation from Fantasia. I don’t know how much (if any) was ever completed I just remember seeing a few stills from his work on the disney production. Now that’s a “grail”.

  • http://wardomatic.blogspot.com/ Ward

    nos4a2, are you talking about Destino? Roy Disney revived that long-dormant project back when FANTASIA 2000 was in production. They released it as a short film in 2003, wherein it was nominated for an Oscar that year.

    You can view a clip of it HERE.

  • http://wardomatic.blogspot.com Ward

    nos4a2, are you talking about Destino? Roy Disney revived that long-dormant project back when FANTASIA 2000 was in production. They released it as a short film in 2003, wherein it was nominated for an Oscar that year.

    You can view a clip of it HERE.

  • http://jedalexander.blogspot.com/ Jed Alexander

    I saw Song of the South sometime in the 80s. My grandmother took me, and then afterwards I checked out the Uncle Remus stories from the library, and my grandmother read them in faux black dialect. The whole scene was kind of freaky. I remember feeling that something wasn’t quite right, but couldn’t put my finger on what. I do remember enjoying the movie, though.

    The other thing I want to see is the Muhammad Ali saturday morning cartoon, just to prove that it existed.

    I keep hearing about this Evangelion business, but I have a hard time getting past the basic robots kicking eachother’s asses premise. I know its supposed to be more profound than that, but it seems like the meat of it is robots beating the living shit out of one another. Yes I’m probably missing out.

    And lastly: As many Fleisher Bros Popeyes as possible.

  • http://jedalexander.blogspot.com Jed Alexander

    I saw Song of the South sometime in the 80s. My grandmother took me, and then afterwards I checked out the Uncle Remus stories from the library, and my grandmother read them in faux black dialect. The whole scene was kind of freaky. I remember feeling that something wasn’t quite right, but couldn’t put my finger on what. I do remember enjoying the movie, though.

    The other thing I want to see is the Muhammad Ali saturday morning cartoon, just to prove that it existed.

    I keep hearing about this Evangelion business, but I have a hard time getting past the basic robots kicking eachother’s asses premise. I know its supposed to be more profound than that, but it seems like the meat of it is robots beating the living shit out of one another. Yes I’m probably missing out.

    And lastly: As many Fleisher Bros Popeyes as possible.

  • http://www.shane.lohvoh.org/ shane

    Song of the Southwas the first film I saw in a theater, as a tiny tot back in the late ’60s or so, and it was a beautiful old theatre with a marquee sign ringed by flashing lightbulbs, long since torn down. I think the last act to play there in the theatre’s final incarnation was the Godz.

    “The Godz are rock-n-roll machines..!”

    I feel so old skool!

    Wait, I just feel old…

  • http://www.shane.lohvoh.org/ shane

    Song of the Southwas the first film I saw in a theater, as a tiny tot back in the late ’60s or so, and it was a beautiful old theatre with a marquee sign ringed by flashing lightbulbs, long since torn down. I think the last act to play there in the theatre’s final incarnation was the Godz.

    “The Godz are rock-n-roll machines..!”

    I feel so old skool!

    Wait, I just feel old…

  • michaeljpatrick

    It’s not an animation, but for me the Holy Grail of cartoon art in general would be the original sketch of Spider-Man as done by Jack Kirby. According to one version of history Lee asked Kirby to design a new character (Spidey) and wasn’t very pleased with the results, so he turned to Ditko and had him come up with a new design (presumably the design we have today). I have often dreamed of what this variant character looked like and have nothing to go on (other than “Captain America with cobwebs”).

  • michaeljpatrick

    It’s not an animation, but for me the Holy Grail of cartoon art in general would be the original sketch of Spider-Man as done by Jack Kirby. According to one version of history Lee asked Kirby to design a new character (Spidey) and wasn’t very pleased with the results, so he turned to Ditko and had him come up with a new design (presumably the design we have today). I have often dreamed of what this variant character looked like and have nothing to go on (other than “Captain America with cobwebs”).

  • http://www.ironicsans.com/ ironicsans

    I’ve been passively searching for a copy of the Emmy Award winning cartoon “Carlton Your Doorman,” based on the character from Rhoda. Anyone out there have a copy?

    Also, I remember promos during one TV season in the 80s for a “Garbage Pail Kids” Saturday morning cartoon that never actually saw air. Were there ever any episodes produced?

  • http://www.ironicsans.com ironicsans

    I’ve been passively searching for a copy of the Emmy Award winning cartoon “Carlton Your Doorman,” based on the character from Rhoda. Anyone out there have a copy?

    Also, I remember promos during one TV season in the 80s for a “Garbage Pail Kids” Saturday morning cartoon that never actually saw air. Were there ever any episodes produced?

  • bowkerke

    Has anyone seen chuck jones rendition of “the dot and the line, a love story in lower mathmatics”? that has to be my favorite and very rarely shown on cartoon alley on tcm

  • bowkerke

    Has anyone seen chuck jones rendition of “the dot and the line, a love story in lower mathmatics”? that has to be my favorite and very rarely shown on cartoon alley on tcm

  • http://www.theanimeblog.com/ The Anime Blog

    ironicsans – the Garbage Pail Kids cartoon was released a few months ago on dvd – I saw it for sale on Amazon – it even has episodes that never aired! The page is located here: http://tinyurl.com/yjwc8s

  • http://www.theanimeblog.com The Anime Blog

    ironicsans – the Garbage Pail Kids cartoon was released a few months ago on dvd – I saw it for sale on Amazon – it even has episodes that never aired! The page is located here: http://tinyurl.com/yjwc8s

  • Christine

    I actually have a Disney “Brer Rabbit and the Tarbaby” readalong book and cassette still. I remember seeing Song of the South in the 80s in Canada as well…

  • Christine

    I actually have a Disney “Brer Rabbit and the Tarbaby” readalong book and cassette still. I remember seeing Song of the South in the 80s in Canada as well…

  • http://www.studiodubois.com/ ChatRabbit

    I know it’s just ME, but I would love to see the “Groovy Goolies’ cartoon show from sometime in the 70′s. I just adored it for some reason. Kids…go figure!

  • http://www.studiodubois.com ChatRabbit

    I know it’s just ME, but I would love to see the “Groovy Goolies’ cartoon show from sometime in the 70′s. I just adored it for some reason. Kids…go figure!

  • bredlo

    Crazy Mixed Up Pup, from 1955, was a childhood favorite that’s nowhere to be found. Tex Avery directed, I believe, and it was a Walter Lantz production (Woody Woodpecker’s company).

    “Dog plasma! Human plasma!” Great stuff.

    Here’s a still:
    http://lantz.goldenagecartoons.com/1950s/crazy01.jpg

  • bredlo

    Crazy Mixed Up Pup, from 1955, was a childhood favorite that’s nowhere to be found. Tex Avery directed, I believe, and it was a Walter Lantz production (Woody Woodpecker’s company).

    “Dog plasma! Human plasma!” Great stuff.

    Here’s a still:
    http://lantz.goldenagecartoons.com/1950s/crazy01.jpg

  • http://www.popmatic.com/ popmatic

    I’ve been looking everywhere for a video produced by the Brothers Quay for Michael Penn called “A Long Way Down (Look What the Cat Drug In)”

    I would LOVE to see that again!

  • http://www.popmatic.com popmatic

    I’ve been looking everywhere for a video produced by the Brothers Quay for Michael Penn called “A Long Way Down (Look What the Cat Drug In)”

    I would LOVE to see that again!

  • fr0znpixl

    Ralph Bakshi Broke new grounds in the animation world. Many people early on disliked his animation styles but later grew to love them. He inovated storys by turning them towards adults, and visualized new animation styles with rotoscoping.

  • fr0znpixl

    Ralph Bakshi Broke new grounds in the animation world. Many people early on disliked his animation styles but later grew to love them. He inovated storys by turning them towards adults, and visualized new animation styles with rotoscoping.