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luc-what do you have against flash sites?

luc-what do you have against flash sites?

hi Geraldine

It’s not that I “have anything against” Flash sites, but my own personal experience leads me to prefer HTML sites over Flash sites. And if you’re a regular here at Drawn!, you’ll notice that most people feel the same way.

At best, a Flash site makes it difficult to direct readers to specific pages (as mentioned above, I could not provide a direct link to the animated short I was posting about). At worst (at least for sites that are poorly designed, or that use Flash too heavily) it can be frustrating for viewers to navigate the site effecitvely. Or if you subscribe to sites’ RSS feeds to keep abreast of their updates, Flash sites get left in the dust.

Of course this is not always the case. When used minimally, some Flash enhancements can make a website MORE effective and navigable than without it, perhaps by delivering content that would otherwise take much longer to download.

That said, I still love the work found at Tin Can Forest, Flash or not!

hi Geraldine

It’s not that I “have anything against” Flash sites, but my own personal experience leads me to prefer HTML sites over Flash sites. And if you’re a regular here at Drawn!, you’ll notice that most people feel the same way.

At best, a Flash site makes it difficult to direct readers to specific pages (as mentioned above, I could not provide a direct link to the animated short I was posting about). At worst (at least for sites that are poorly designed, or that use Flash too heavily) it can be frustrating for viewers to navigate the site effecitvely. Or if you subscribe to sites’ RSS feeds to keep abreast of their updates, Flash sites get left in the dust.

Of course this is not always the case. When used minimally, some Flash enhancements can make a website MORE effective and navigable than without it, perhaps by delivering content that would otherwise take much longer to download.

That said, I still love the work found at Tin Can Forest, Flash or not!

I count myself in the “most people feel the same way” column. Flash is for ads and games, not entire content-rich sites. It’s also particularly hard to watch over the course of a half hour “animated” tv show.

I count myself in the “most people feel the same way” column. Flash is for ads and games, not entire content-rich sites. It’s also particularly hard to watch over the course of a half hour “animated” tv show.

Luckily the site is one of those vanishingly rare ones that has URLs embedded in the page source comments!
Here’s the Montrose Avenue clip: http://www.tincanforest.com/montrose.html

Luckily the site is one of those vanishingly rare ones that has URLs embedded in the page source comments!
Here’s the Montrose Avenue clip: http://www.tincanforest.com/montrose.html

On the subject of Flash: I would love to see this drawing style done in full cel animation. I’m really missing cel animation in general, and I had the hope, in seeing the above image, that that’s what would be on the site, but alas, more Flash animation!

On the subject of Flash: I would love to see this drawing style done in full cel animation. I’m really missing cel animation in general, and I had the hope, in seeing the above image, that that’s what would be on the site, but alas, more Flash animation!

I should reiterate that it’s Flash-based WEBSITES that I was yapping about, not Flash ANIMATION.

I love good ol’ hardcore cel animation as much as the next guy, but I enjoy good Flash animation just as much. There is some wonderful Flash animation out there. As with anything, it’s the content, not the method used to deliver it, that always wins out in the end. There’s PLENTY of cel animation that sucks balls. Cel animation in and of itself is not the answer to good animation.

That said, the reason I enjoy Marek & Pat’s work so much is because, Flash or not, they’re wonderful artists and, clearly, knowledgeable aniamation artists. I have no way of knowing if Flash if they’re preferred tool for animating, or if it’s just what they can afford and they’re making the best use of it. My money is on the latter.

I should reiterate that it’s Flash-based WEBSITES that I was yapping about, not Flash ANIMATION.

I love good ol’ hardcore cel animation as much as the next guy, but I enjoy good Flash animation just as much. There is some wonderful Flash animation out there. As with anything, it’s the content, not the method used to deliver it, that always wins out in the end. There’s PLENTY of cel animation that sucks balls. Cel animation in and of itself is not the answer to good animation.

That said, the reason I enjoy Marek & Pat’s work so much is because, Flash or not, they’re wonderful artists and, clearly, knowledgeable aniamation artists. I have no way of knowing if Flash if they’re preferred tool for animating, or if it’s just what they can afford and they’re making the best use of it. My money is on the latter.

Just amazing.I’m stunned and i want to watch it move

Just amazing.I’m stunned and i want to watch it move

Hey guys and gals,

First off, thanks for posting us in Drawn! . We love Drawn! And thanks for the compliments and interest in our work.

About the site ,I built some parts of it in flash because I like the seamless way a Flash website presents itself. When I give the site an overhaul, I’ll be doing an HTML version and a Flash version, keeping in mind the comments made here regarding Flash sites.

Hey guys and gals,

First off, thanks for posting us in Drawn! . We love Drawn! And thanks for the compliments and interest in our work.

About the site ,I built some parts of it in flash because I like the seamless way a Flash website presents itself. When I give the site an overhaul, I’ll be doing an HTML version and a Flash version, keeping in mind the comments made here regarding Flash sites.

Cool!
I shouldn’t've come down so hard on flash animation. The way it is handled by tin can forest is masterfully beautiful.
I guess that’s the problem: too few take the time to master it. But, yeah, that’s the problem with cel animation too.

Cool!
I shouldn’t've come down so hard on flash animation. The way it is handled by tin can forest is masterfully beautiful.
I guess that’s the problem: too few take the time to master it. But, yeah, that’s the problem with cel animation too.

I really dont care what the lot of you are yapping about, either way Marek Colek is my new hero, that’s amazing work.

I really dont care what the lot of you are yapping about, either way Marek Colek is my new hero, that’s amazing work.

wow, that is lovely stuff. it’s makes me ill it’s so beautiful.

wow, that is lovely stuff. it’s makes me ill it’s so beautiful.

absolutely beautiful stuff.

it reminds me some of the best of Max’s work.

absolutely beautiful stuff.

it reminds me some of the best of Max’s work.

I love POHADKY !! At zijou cesky pohadky !! Czech old school animation rulz !

I love POHADKY !! At zijou cesky pohadky !! Czech old school animation rulz !

No to je teda neco , dostat tady kompliment v Cestine . Diky !!
A Ja kompletne souhlasim : At zijou Ceske pohadky !!

No to je teda neco , dostat tady kompliment v Cestine . Diky !!
A Ja kompletne souhlasim : At zijou Ceske pohadky !!

tin can forest is definately a favorite of mine .. these guys know what they do and they do it good .. however i dont understand all this focus on wheither their site is made in flash or not .. their work is very well presented in my opinion

tin can forest is definately a favorite of mine .. these guys know what they do and they do it good .. however i dont understand all this focus on wheither their site is made in flash or not .. their work is very well presented in my opinion

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